Thank you for this. It seems when Germany commits to a stance, they really commit. Here in the UK we’ve had similar experiences although now in the middle of an election we’re seeing the Labour party ( left wing) twist and turn and try to triangulate which position on Gaza will win most votes- disgusting behaviour. Fortunately in Scotland our devolved government has been slightly more human from the start, which has helped - at least we can talk about the genocide, in Scotland, without being arrested. The frightening part for me is that we are seeing our assumptions about society dissolve in real time. Now that the lives of children don’t matter, who does?
It's shameful, isn't it? The triangulating. Here's where committing to stance – namely, to defend human rights – would be most useful. Oddly, I think countries like Germany and the U.S., as well as the U.K., believe they're doing exactly that. In fact, they won't stop talking it. Democracy, international law, etc. etc. Like you said, our assumptions are dissolving. I can only hope that a wholesale reckoning with the so-called West's hypocrisies will result in a more just order.
It’s disenfranchising so many people who believed in some form of moral compass- I think abstention and a feeling of helplessness, rather than anything else may be responsible for the rise of the right. When good people do nothing etc…
Thanks for your words, Christian. I’ve felt less and less sane every day of the last 9 months. I can’t bridge the gap between what I’m seeing from Gaza and the headlines written about it. It was James Baldwin that said “every bombed village is my hometown,” so thank you for contributing to the work of keeping Gaza on the forefront of everyone’s mind.
On a lighter note, it’s funny that I was thinking about checking out your newsletter this morning (“where’s that lol/sos guy been?”) and then I found this at the top of my feed as soon as I opened the app
It's pretty amazing, isn't it? The stark contrast in how two groups perceive the same thing... I can't even watch a kid play in a puddle without thinking about Gaza.
Thanks for your comments. It's nice to know I came to mind. Coincidences make the world go round, etc.
I was also wondering a few days ago and I went poking around and saw that your previous essay (which I loved) was the latest at the time. Always glad to read your words. Like Lala said, it’s hard to stay sane but it helps to know someone else is just as upset.
I share the same sentiment and you've articulated it well in this piece, so thank you. Where you wrote, "Every time I read another journalistically irresponsible headline, or hear another politician doubling down on their unconditional support for a murderous regime, or see that another voice against genocide has been silenced, I feel completely misrepresented, not to mention demoralized and enraged," I felt compelled to drop a comment, especially due to the nature of my job where I'm surrounded by newspeople and policymakers. As someone who grew up and started a journalism career outside of the Western/Anglophone world who now lives and works in the Western/Anglophone world, sometimes I feel like I'm living in a completely alternate reality that I cannot escape. There ARE people, like you, who care, and this piece is a reminder of that. So, thank you, once again.
That meme from Berlin is hilarious and perfectly sums up the madness. I was talking to my German friend the other day, and as someone who was born and raised here, I still can't wrap my head around how the Holocaust was ingrained in our minds, yet people can still act in similarly destructive ways in the face of another genocide. My German friend made a valid point - many Germans cannot apply the lessons from the Holocaust to another genocide. They mainly learned that such atrocities shouldn't happen to Jews again. Recent events have made me feel even more distant from this country. As an immigrant child, I always struggled to feel like I belonged here, but this situation feels like an even more direct threat. Any day could be the day I become the target.
I didn’t grow up here so I’m not aware of how people are taught about the Holocaust. But I think the fact that the 5 million non-Jewish victims are rarely mentioned speaks to what your friend said. As for your “any day” comment...unfortunately, I think the target was set on European Election Day. Thanks for your thoughtful comment 🖤
Thanks for this thoughtful piece Christian. I also didn’t know much about Germany’s stance (as someone living in the US, I’ve been hyper focused on our own country’s complicit actions) - so I learned a lot. It’s ironic that Germany is so whole-heartedly supporting Israel, it seems as a way to absolve their guilt for the Holocaust, yet not recognizing that in doing so they’re creating yet another one…
Thanks for reading 🖤 It’s a pretty tragic state of affairs, with so many awful consequences. Foreigners have been made the scapegoat for homegrown antisemitism, which the quasi-Nazi AfD Party exploited for their anti-immigrant platform. Since yesterday, they represent 16% of German voters.
First, thanks for this text, somehow I can't 'like', so I write my thanks.
I'm german, or my passport is, i wasn't born in germany nor do i live there now. That helps! As of today I believe this whole ... 'thing' ... is a taboo. Completely 'darf nicht hinterfragt werden'. What means it can not evolve to a 'healthier' form.
The 'antisemitic smear' is in place to protect the taboo. Not the semites, nor the people in Palestina, nor even the jews. It's just there to protect the taboo itself. And in order to keep the taboo unchanged, 'we' have to believe some historical facts and forget some other historical facts. Do 'some things' - like selling ammunition (winwin) and not doing 'other things', like caring about human rights.
I, personally, do only see one way out.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
This is the only weapon which will desintegrate that monolithic 'taboo-thing' and put upside down what now is downside up.
With respect, your interpretation of genocide is irrelevant. Israel’s leaders have been transparent about their intentions. They’ve literally said it. Repeatedly. And since long before October 7. In light of this, I find it difficult to entertain any claims of self-defense.
I'm under no illusions that my definitions matter to anyone, but I thought folks might be interested in understanding why Jews generally dismiss folks who call Gaza a "genocide" because it makes it clear that they're simply trying to score political points rather than actually grappling with what is going on.
Meanwhile, I would agree that there a some Israeli leaders who have said things that I show genocidal intent (or at least a goal of ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank). However, I would be willing to wager any amount of money that I can find even worse quotes from the Hamas leadership that have been made more consistently and that have come from a far greater percentage of Hamas leaders. Fortunately, for both Israel and the Palestinians, the Israelis who advocate for ethnic cleansing are still a small percentage of Israel's leadership.
Meanwhile, I'd suggest that the real way to understand intentions is to watch what people actually do rather than what they say. And as horrific as the death toll in Gaza has been, Israel obviously has the fire power to have killed 500k+ Gazans over the last nine months rather than 35-50k.
So the two additional questions I would ask you Christian (along with repeating my original questions, which I noticed you did not respond to):
- If Israel is trying to commit genocide, why isn't the death toll far, far higher?
- How many Palestinians in Gaza were killed in 2023 by Israel before October 7th?
Considering genocide only in terms of numbers is wildly misguided. Srebrenica, where 8,000 were killed, was a genocide. To suggest that we should bestow Israel some grace for not killing 500k+ Gazans is ghoulish.
You suggest that the real way to understand intentions is to watch what people actually do rather than what they say...right after proposing to share some Hamas "quotes." Ok? Everyone can see what Israel is doing. It has never been clearer. Also, it doesn't matter whether the Israelis who advocate for ethnic cleansing "are still a small percentage of Israel's leadership." They are getting their way.
Maybe you'd be interested to know that the number of Israelis in general who advocate for ethnic cleansing is much higher: "A Pew Research Center survey of Israeli society [found that] nearly half of Jews in the country say they support the ethnic cleansing of Arabs. Forty-eight percent of Jewish respondents agreed/strongly agreed that 'Arabs should be expelled or transferred from Israel.'" That was from 2016.
To answer your three questions:
1. I honestly don't know what Israel should have done in response to October 7. But it is impossible to claim that the sole objectives were to eradicate Hamas and bring home the hostages—both of which they have failed to do, by the way. The past 76 years should help put Israel's core objective into context.
2. I noticed you intentionally downplayed the estimate at the time. What do you have to say now that the death toll is credibly nearing 200,000? You can't honestly believe people see this as an opportunity to score political points. But also: More than almost any other country, Israel is a political project. Of course it should be criticized and reformed as such.
Sorry. Now I have the delayed response. Life got in the way.
Anyway, a few points:
- With regard to the number of Palestinian dead, I didn't “downplay the estimate at the time.” In fact I did the opposite. Back when I commented in June, reported deaths were under 35k. I deliberately made that number the low end of the estimated number of deaths (“35-50k”) I provided.
- You write that the new death tool is credibly nearing 200k. I assume that is based on this Lancet "study" (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext#%20), which literally just takes the death toll number reported by the Gaza Health Ministry and multiplies it by 4. I believe the technical term for that kind of calculation is "pulled the numbers from your ass."
- Why is it "impossible to claim the sole objectives were to eradicate Hamas and bring home the hostages?" I’d argue that the war in Gaza is fully consistent with those aims. Name the things that aren’t consistent with those goals.
- What isn't consistent is claiming that Israel's objective in Gazas are conquest and genocide “the past 76 years should help put Israel's core objective into context”), when Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 and the population has doubled since that time. Can you name any other genocides where the genocidal power unilaterally withdrew from the territory in question and the population doubled.
- To be clear, there are two competing explanations here:
1. Palestinian civilians are being killed because of a deliberate genocide being perpetrated by the Israelis.
2. Palestinian civilians are being killed because there is a war between Israel and Hamas and Hamas is deliberately living among the civilian population.
Frankly, it is impossible for any serious person to look at the history of Gaza over the last 20 years (or even the last two years) and conclude that #1 is a better explanation than #2.
A few additional thoughts:
- You brought up Srebrenica. That is indeed an illuminating comparison. The differences worth noting:
* In Srebrenica, than 8K people were massacred in just a few days. A far higher death rate that any point in Gaza (although it was comparable to the 1k Israelis that were massacred in just a few hours in Israel on October 7th).
* In Srebrenica, the men were captured, herded into groups, and slaughtered. It’s why almost everyone who died was a man. The Serbs had the ability to separate the men from the women without risking their lives.
* In Srebrenica, there were mass rapes of the women, who were then expelled from Serbia into Bosnia.
In short, what happened in Srebrenica was actually similar (if on a much reduced scale) to what happened during the Holocaust, in Rwanda, in Turkey, etc. Gaza, on the other hand, much more close resembles something like Dresden, except with a fraction of the number of deaths per day.
- The war in Gaza would end tomorrow if Hamas fighters all surrendered for arrest and trial and the hostages that are still alive freed. The fact that you don’t call for this makes it clear that you care far more about hurting Israelis than helping Palestinians.
- If you were posting about the West Bank, where I think Israel’s actions over the last 20 years (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html) have been indefensible, I’d likely support your recommendations. But again, the fact that you focus on Gaza is a tell that you are really just anti-Israel versus being pro-Palestinian.
Hi Christian, I wonder how much of this played into this weekend election? Are the people voting extreme right in a way also against being involved in outside wars? Or are they just in favor of Israel and against defending Ukraine? I know the right-wing in Germany is mostly just racist and against immigration, but as I was reading your text I wondered if being "anti-establishment" wasn't being against everything German government is doing as well.
Probably quite a lot, I imagine, though in rather indirect ways. Tomer Dotan Dreyfus (https://www.instagram.com/tomerdr/) and Hanno Hauenstein (https://twitter.com/hahauenstein) do great work explaining how Germany's centrist and so-called liberal politicians bear as much responsibility as anyone for the country's shift to the right. As for where supporters of the AfD stand on outside wars, I genuinely can't figure it out. I thought it was pretty telling that AfD members (as well as left-wing nationalists) boycotted Zelensky's speech in Berlin today. I think being "anti-establishment" is just a savvy political strategy because it allows them to avoid proposing any solutions of their own. Thanks for your comment, and for reading.
Immigrants are just escape-goats. Easy to blame for all the problems that are actually caused by capitalism. Prices are rising and we are being squashed on every side by greedy corporations but it's much easier to blame immigrants and not offer any real solutions.
And of course the consequence is that more and more people are on the move to escape the increasing pressures of this system. It goes without saying that capitalism will also accelerate the number of people forced to be on the move to escape climate disasters.
Had no idea things were this bad in Germany. As always, your words are both interesting and a bit depressing. At least Germany SELLS weapons to Israel; the USA GIVES them to Israel and the Ukraine. Where is all this money coming from?
“Interesting and a bit depressing” ...might have to put that on my welcome page graphic. Israel buying F35s with American military aid money is a truly astonishing level of money laundering. Thanks for reading.
Thank you for this. It seems when Germany commits to a stance, they really commit. Here in the UK we’ve had similar experiences although now in the middle of an election we’re seeing the Labour party ( left wing) twist and turn and try to triangulate which position on Gaza will win most votes- disgusting behaviour. Fortunately in Scotland our devolved government has been slightly more human from the start, which has helped - at least we can talk about the genocide, in Scotland, without being arrested. The frightening part for me is that we are seeing our assumptions about society dissolve in real time. Now that the lives of children don’t matter, who does?
It's shameful, isn't it? The triangulating. Here's where committing to stance – namely, to defend human rights – would be most useful. Oddly, I think countries like Germany and the U.S., as well as the U.K., believe they're doing exactly that. In fact, they won't stop talking it. Democracy, international law, etc. etc. Like you said, our assumptions are dissolving. I can only hope that a wholesale reckoning with the so-called West's hypocrisies will result in a more just order.
It’s disenfranchising so many people who believed in some form of moral compass- I think abstention and a feeling of helplessness, rather than anything else may be responsible for the rise of the right. When good people do nothing etc…
Indeed. When people believe they're doing a good thing etc...
Thanks for your words, Christian. I’ve felt less and less sane every day of the last 9 months. I can’t bridge the gap between what I’m seeing from Gaza and the headlines written about it. It was James Baldwin that said “every bombed village is my hometown,” so thank you for contributing to the work of keeping Gaza on the forefront of everyone’s mind.
On a lighter note, it’s funny that I was thinking about checking out your newsletter this morning (“where’s that lol/sos guy been?”) and then I found this at the top of my feed as soon as I opened the app
It's pretty amazing, isn't it? The stark contrast in how two groups perceive the same thing... I can't even watch a kid play in a puddle without thinking about Gaza.
Thanks for your comments. It's nice to know I came to mind. Coincidences make the world go round, etc.
I was also wondering a few days ago and I went poking around and saw that your previous essay (which I loved) was the latest at the time. Always glad to read your words. Like Lala said, it’s hard to stay sane but it helps to know someone else is just as upset.
If insanity and despair shall bind us, so be it. Always appreciate that you take the time to read my writing.
I share the same sentiment and you've articulated it well in this piece, so thank you. Where you wrote, "Every time I read another journalistically irresponsible headline, or hear another politician doubling down on their unconditional support for a murderous regime, or see that another voice against genocide has been silenced, I feel completely misrepresented, not to mention demoralized and enraged," I felt compelled to drop a comment, especially due to the nature of my job where I'm surrounded by newspeople and policymakers. As someone who grew up and started a journalism career outside of the Western/Anglophone world who now lives and works in the Western/Anglophone world, sometimes I feel like I'm living in a completely alternate reality that I cannot escape. There ARE people, like you, who care, and this piece is a reminder of that. So, thank you, once again.
Thanks for sharing your perspective, Tina. A comment like this makes the place we're coming from feel a little less lonely.
That meme from Berlin is hilarious and perfectly sums up the madness. I was talking to my German friend the other day, and as someone who was born and raised here, I still can't wrap my head around how the Holocaust was ingrained in our minds, yet people can still act in similarly destructive ways in the face of another genocide. My German friend made a valid point - many Germans cannot apply the lessons from the Holocaust to another genocide. They mainly learned that such atrocities shouldn't happen to Jews again. Recent events have made me feel even more distant from this country. As an immigrant child, I always struggled to feel like I belonged here, but this situation feels like an even more direct threat. Any day could be the day I become the target.
I didn’t grow up here so I’m not aware of how people are taught about the Holocaust. But I think the fact that the 5 million non-Jewish victims are rarely mentioned speaks to what your friend said. As for your “any day” comment...unfortunately, I think the target was set on European Election Day. Thanks for your thoughtful comment 🖤
Thanks for this thoughtful piece Christian. I also didn’t know much about Germany’s stance (as someone living in the US, I’ve been hyper focused on our own country’s complicit actions) - so I learned a lot. It’s ironic that Germany is so whole-heartedly supporting Israel, it seems as a way to absolve their guilt for the Holocaust, yet not recognizing that in doing so they’re creating yet another one…
Thanks for reading 🖤 It’s a pretty tragic state of affairs, with so many awful consequences. Foreigners have been made the scapegoat for homegrown antisemitism, which the quasi-Nazi AfD Party exploited for their anti-immigrant platform. Since yesterday, they represent 16% of German voters.
I'm not so sure if this is about guilt.
First, thanks for this text, somehow I can't 'like', so I write my thanks.
I'm german, or my passport is, i wasn't born in germany nor do i live there now. That helps! As of today I believe this whole ... 'thing' ... is a taboo. Completely 'darf nicht hinterfragt werden'. What means it can not evolve to a 'healthier' form.
The 'antisemitic smear' is in place to protect the taboo. Not the semites, nor the people in Palestina, nor even the jews. It's just there to protect the taboo itself. And in order to keep the taboo unchanged, 'we' have to believe some historical facts and forget some other historical facts. Do 'some things' - like selling ammunition (winwin) and not doing 'other things', like caring about human rights.
I, personally, do only see one way out.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
This is the only weapon which will desintegrate that monolithic 'taboo-thing' and put upside down what now is downside up.
You've articulated it perfectly. Thank you.
I describe why I think the accusation of genocide is both wrong and counterproductive here:
https://gordonstrause.substack.com/p/the-genocide-accusation
Would be curious to hear what folks who disagree think I got wrong?
Meanwhile Christian, you make the claim below that Israel isn't acting in self-defense in Gaza. A few questions to better understand your perspective:
- What do you think Israel should have done in response to October 7? What would constitute self-defense?
- How many missiles do you believe a group should be able to fire at another group before a response becomes self-defense?
With respect, your interpretation of genocide is irrelevant. Israel’s leaders have been transparent about their intentions. They’ve literally said it. Repeatedly. And since long before October 7. In light of this, I find it difficult to entertain any claims of self-defense.
I'm under no illusions that my definitions matter to anyone, but I thought folks might be interested in understanding why Jews generally dismiss folks who call Gaza a "genocide" because it makes it clear that they're simply trying to score political points rather than actually grappling with what is going on.
Meanwhile, I would agree that there a some Israeli leaders who have said things that I show genocidal intent (or at least a goal of ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank). However, I would be willing to wager any amount of money that I can find even worse quotes from the Hamas leadership that have been made more consistently and that have come from a far greater percentage of Hamas leaders. Fortunately, for both Israel and the Palestinians, the Israelis who advocate for ethnic cleansing are still a small percentage of Israel's leadership.
Meanwhile, I'd suggest that the real way to understand intentions is to watch what people actually do rather than what they say. And as horrific as the death toll in Gaza has been, Israel obviously has the fire power to have killed 500k+ Gazans over the last nine months rather than 35-50k.
So the two additional questions I would ask you Christian (along with repeating my original questions, which I noticed you did not respond to):
- If Israel is trying to commit genocide, why isn't the death toll far, far higher?
- How many Palestinians in Gaza were killed in 2023 by Israel before October 7th?
Considering genocide only in terms of numbers is wildly misguided. Srebrenica, where 8,000 were killed, was a genocide. To suggest that we should bestow Israel some grace for not killing 500k+ Gazans is ghoulish.
You suggest that the real way to understand intentions is to watch what people actually do rather than what they say...right after proposing to share some Hamas "quotes." Ok? Everyone can see what Israel is doing. It has never been clearer. Also, it doesn't matter whether the Israelis who advocate for ethnic cleansing "are still a small percentage of Israel's leadership." They are getting their way.
Maybe you'd be interested to know that the number of Israelis in general who advocate for ethnic cleansing is much higher: "A Pew Research Center survey of Israeli society [found that] nearly half of Jews in the country say they support the ethnic cleansing of Arabs. Forty-eight percent of Jewish respondents agreed/strongly agreed that 'Arabs should be expelled or transferred from Israel.'" That was from 2016.
To answer your three questions:
1. I honestly don't know what Israel should have done in response to October 7. But it is impossible to claim that the sole objectives were to eradicate Hamas and bring home the hostages—both of which they have failed to do, by the way. The past 76 years should help put Israel's core objective into context.
2. I noticed you intentionally downplayed the estimate at the time. What do you have to say now that the death toll is credibly nearing 200,000? You can't honestly believe people see this as an opportunity to score political points. But also: More than almost any other country, Israel is a political project. Of course it should be criticized and reformed as such.
3. Too many.
Sorry. Now I have the delayed response. Life got in the way.
Anyway, a few points:
- With regard to the number of Palestinian dead, I didn't “downplay the estimate at the time.” In fact I did the opposite. Back when I commented in June, reported deaths were under 35k. I deliberately made that number the low end of the estimated number of deaths (“35-50k”) I provided.
- You write that the new death tool is credibly nearing 200k. I assume that is based on this Lancet "study" (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext#%20), which literally just takes the death toll number reported by the Gaza Health Ministry and multiplies it by 4. I believe the technical term for that kind of calculation is "pulled the numbers from your ass."
- Why is it "impossible to claim the sole objectives were to eradicate Hamas and bring home the hostages?" I’d argue that the war in Gaza is fully consistent with those aims. Name the things that aren’t consistent with those goals.
- What isn't consistent is claiming that Israel's objective in Gazas are conquest and genocide “the past 76 years should help put Israel's core objective into context”), when Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 and the population has doubled since that time. Can you name any other genocides where the genocidal power unilaterally withdrew from the territory in question and the population doubled.
- To be clear, there are two competing explanations here:
1. Palestinian civilians are being killed because of a deliberate genocide being perpetrated by the Israelis.
2. Palestinian civilians are being killed because there is a war between Israel and Hamas and Hamas is deliberately living among the civilian population.
Frankly, it is impossible for any serious person to look at the history of Gaza over the last 20 years (or even the last two years) and conclude that #1 is a better explanation than #2.
A few additional thoughts:
- You brought up Srebrenica. That is indeed an illuminating comparison. The differences worth noting:
* In Srebrenica, than 8K people were massacred in just a few days. A far higher death rate that any point in Gaza (although it was comparable to the 1k Israelis that were massacred in just a few hours in Israel on October 7th).
* In Srebrenica, the men were captured, herded into groups, and slaughtered. It’s why almost everyone who died was a man. The Serbs had the ability to separate the men from the women without risking their lives.
* In Srebrenica, there were mass rapes of the women, who were then expelled from Serbia into Bosnia.
In short, what happened in Srebrenica was actually similar (if on a much reduced scale) to what happened during the Holocaust, in Rwanda, in Turkey, etc. Gaza, on the other hand, much more close resembles something like Dresden, except with a fraction of the number of deaths per day.
- The war in Gaza would end tomorrow if Hamas fighters all surrendered for arrest and trial and the hostages that are still alive freed. The fact that you don’t call for this makes it clear that you care far more about hurting Israelis than helping Palestinians.
- If you were posting about the West Bank, where I think Israel’s actions over the last 20 years (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html) have been indefensible, I’d likely support your recommendations. But again, the fact that you focus on Gaza is a tell that you are really just anti-Israel versus being pro-Palestinian.
Your perspective is refreshing to read. It kept my attention and cuts through the noise. I like your writing voice. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the kind words, Nessa. And for reading.
Hi Christian, I wonder how much of this played into this weekend election? Are the people voting extreme right in a way also against being involved in outside wars? Or are they just in favor of Israel and against defending Ukraine? I know the right-wing in Germany is mostly just racist and against immigration, but as I was reading your text I wondered if being "anti-establishment" wasn't being against everything German government is doing as well.
Probably quite a lot, I imagine, though in rather indirect ways. Tomer Dotan Dreyfus (https://www.instagram.com/tomerdr/) and Hanno Hauenstein (https://twitter.com/hahauenstein) do great work explaining how Germany's centrist and so-called liberal politicians bear as much responsibility as anyone for the country's shift to the right. As for where supporters of the AfD stand on outside wars, I genuinely can't figure it out. I thought it was pretty telling that AfD members (as well as left-wing nationalists) boycotted Zelensky's speech in Berlin today. I think being "anti-establishment" is just a savvy political strategy because it allows them to avoid proposing any solutions of their own. Thanks for your comment, and for reading.
Immigrants are just escape-goats. Easy to blame for all the problems that are actually caused by capitalism. Prices are rising and we are being squashed on every side by greedy corporations but it's much easier to blame immigrants and not offer any real solutions.
And of course the consequence is that more and more people are on the move to escape the increasing pressures of this system. It goes without saying that capitalism will also accelerate the number of people forced to be on the move to escape climate disasters.
Had no idea things were this bad in Germany. As always, your words are both interesting and a bit depressing. At least Germany SELLS weapons to Israel; the USA GIVES them to Israel and the Ukraine. Where is all this money coming from?
“Interesting and a bit depressing” ...might have to put that on my welcome page graphic. Israel buying F35s with American military aid money is a truly astonishing level of money laundering. Thanks for reading.